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	<title>Comments on: Passive Income &#8211; Further Thoughts From Mr Credit Card &#8211; Guest Post</title>
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		<title>By: Brian Lee</title>
		<link>http://www.plantingdollars.com/personal-finance/passive-income-further-thoughts-from-mr-credit-card-guest-post/comment-page-1/#comment-773</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 14:01:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my understanding, the point you are trying to make is that people OVER ESTIMATE the powers of passive income based on what they have been taught in books or blogs.  I would whole-heartedly agree with that.

At the same time, there are deeper layers to the concept of passive income that weren&#039;t mentioned.

&lt;strong&gt;Different Levels&lt;/strong&gt;

I think you would agree that some types of income are more passive than others.  The income you produce from the interest on a money market account is much more passive than the income you produce from your network marketing business (plus it didn&#039;t take forever to set up).

So it&#039;s not quite as black and white as this article portrays.  Income is not simply passive or not passive.  It exists on a continuum between completely passive and completely active.  While no income is &lt;em&gt;completely&lt;/em&gt; passive.  Income from money market accounts and treasury bonds are pretty darn close, even if you have to check the paper every once in awhile.

&lt;strong&gt;Working Capital&lt;/strong&gt;

So, the deeper issue is created from the fact that: the more money you have, the more passive your investments can be.

Most people are trying to make passive income out of nothing and are running into this problem.

For example, single-family real estate investing is certainly more passive than a job, but not as passive as multi-family investing; but multi-family investing takes more money to get into.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my understanding, the point you are trying to make is that people OVER ESTIMATE the powers of passive income based on what they have been taught in books or blogs.  I would whole-heartedly agree with that.</p>
<p>At the same time, there are deeper layers to the concept of passive income that weren&#8217;t mentioned.</p>
<p><strong>Different Levels</strong></p>
<p>I think you would agree that some types of income are more passive than others.  The income you produce from the interest on a money market account is much more passive than the income you produce from your network marketing business (plus it didn&#8217;t take forever to set up).</p>
<p>So it&#8217;s not quite as black and white as this article portrays.  Income is not simply passive or not passive.  It exists on a continuum between completely passive and completely active.  While no income is <em>completely</em> passive.  Income from money market accounts and treasury bonds are pretty darn close, even if you have to check the paper every once in awhile.</p>
<p><strong>Working Capital</strong></p>
<p>So, the deeper issue is created from the fact that: the more money you have, the more passive your investments can be.</p>
<p>Most people are trying to make passive income out of nothing and are running into this problem.</p>
<p>For example, single-family real estate investing is certainly more passive than a job, but not as passive as multi-family investing; but multi-family investing takes more money to get into.</p>
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		<title>By: Betty Kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Betty Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 01:55:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@LeanLifeCoach:

&lt;i&gt;&quot;...We are however talking about working less for a greater financial reward… I would call that Lean!  It is not passive but it is obtaining the greatest return on invested effort regardless of the industry, business or job.&quot;&lt;i&gt;

Spot on!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@LeanLifeCoach:</p>
<p><i>&#8220;&#8230;We are however talking about working less for a greater financial reward… I would call that Lean!  It is not passive but it is obtaining the greatest return on invested effort regardless of the industry, business or job.&#8221;</i><i></p>
<p>Spot on!</i></p>
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		<title>By: Jason @ MyMoneyMinute</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason @ MyMoneyMinute</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 20:43:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I view passive income as something where the initial work is done up-front.  This doesn&#039;t mean that it won&#039;t require more work or at least maintenance, but the initial time, strategy, training, etc. was front-loaded.

Having said that, this economy will drastically change between now and my retirement.  Nothing is certain, so even those looking to build passive income would be smart to continually find ways to develop future revenue streams.

I like the idea of quantifying exactly how &#039;passive&#039; an income stream is.  It wouldn&#039;t measure the margin of a widget, but it would help to measure how &#039;hands-off&#039; you can be with a particular investment.  Interesting idea that would help to identify some of the risks of investments that we often don&#039;t think about before jumping into it.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I view passive income as something where the initial work is done up-front.  This doesn&#8217;t mean that it won&#8217;t require more work or at least maintenance, but the initial time, strategy, training, etc. was front-loaded.</p>
<p>Having said that, this economy will drastically change between now and my retirement.  Nothing is certain, so even those looking to build passive income would be smart to continually find ways to develop future revenue streams.</p>
<p>I like the idea of quantifying exactly how &#8216;passive&#8217; an income stream is.  It wouldn&#8217;t measure the margin of a widget, but it would help to measure how &#8216;hands-off&#8217; you can be with a particular investment.  Interesting idea that would help to identify some of the risks of investments that we often don&#8217;t think about before jumping into it.<br />
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		<title>By: Yakezie Link Roundup</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yakezie Link Roundup</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 16:34:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That was a very long in-depth article. As I think about the term &#039;passive income&#039;, the word passive keeps nagging at me. Just the nature of saying passive seems to imply a lack of effort and work. And while this may not be true for the definition, it is true for what it creates in my mind.

I think I feel better when I earn &#039;sweat equity&#039; income. Something where I&#039;ve really given my all and put in time, effort, and creativity. That&#039;s not to say that earned income through little work is bad. But even if I earned more that way, I don&#039;t think I&#039;d be happy unless I was creating something valuable and working hard at it consistently.
.-= Jeremy Johnson&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.jeremynoeljohnson.com/2010/02/23/an-introduction-to-jeremys-wizard-club/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;An Introduction To Jeremy’s “Wizard Club”&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was a very long in-depth article. As I think about the term &#8216;passive income&#8217;, the word passive keeps nagging at me. Just the nature of saying passive seems to imply a lack of effort and work. And while this may not be true for the definition, it is true for what it creates in my mind.</p>
<p>I think I feel better when I earn &#8217;sweat equity&#8217; income. Something where I&#8217;ve really given my all and put in time, effort, and creativity. That&#8217;s not to say that earned income through little work is bad. But even if I earned more that way, I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;d be happy unless I was creating something valuable and working hard at it consistently.<br />
<span class="cluv"> Jeremy Johnson&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://www.jeremynoeljohnson.com/2010/02/23/an-introduction-to-jeremys-wizard-club/" rel="nofollow">An Introduction To Jeremy’s “Wizard Club”</a> <span class="heart_tip_box"><img class="heart_tip" alt="My ComLuv Profile" border="0" width="16" height="14" src="http://www.plantingdollars.com/wp-content/plugins/commentluv/images/littleheart.gif"/></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Wojciech Kulicki</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wojciech Kulicki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 13:25:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes--no doubt a larger stream is easier to maintain than a bunch of smaller ones (although proponents of diversification would argue that the latter is better long-term for safety).

But again, I see the &quot;degree&quot; argument as something separate from size. For example, you could have three small income streams that are very passive, like three savings accounts, and one large stream that is not so passive, like a property you manage on daily basis. To me, the &quot;degree&quot; concept just assigns a level to the type of stream you&#039;re dealing with.

Also, you could have a property that is 2 units, or 100 units...but both could be equal on the degree scale if you spend the same amount of time managing them both.

But as you point out, the degree of &quot;passiveness&quot; does not imply the effectiveness of your income stream. Just how much time you can expect to spend on it...

That&#039;s my 2 cents! :)
.-= Wojciech Kulicki&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/FiscalFizzle/~3/ISEoch-itLo/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Get a Second Job and Quit Whining About Debt&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes&#8211;no doubt a larger stream is easier to maintain than a bunch of smaller ones (although proponents of diversification would argue that the latter is better long-term for safety).</p>
<p>But again, I see the &#8220;degree&#8221; argument as something separate from size. For example, you could have three small income streams that are very passive, like three savings accounts, and one large stream that is not so passive, like a property you manage on daily basis. To me, the &#8220;degree&#8221; concept just assigns a level to the type of stream you&#8217;re dealing with.</p>
<p>Also, you could have a property that is 2 units, or 100 units&#8230;but both could be equal on the degree scale if you spend the same amount of time managing them both.</p>
<p>But as you point out, the degree of &#8220;passiveness&#8221; does not imply the effectiveness of your income stream. Just how much time you can expect to spend on it&#8230;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s my 2 cents! <img src='http://www.plantingdollars.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
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		<title>By: Wojciech Kulicki</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wojciech Kulicki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 13:20:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Lean&quot; - I like it. :)
.-= Wojciech Kulicki&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/FiscalFizzle/~3/ISEoch-itLo/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Get a Second Job and Quit Whining About Debt&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Lean&#8221; &#8211; I like it. <img src='http://www.plantingdollars.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
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		<title>By: Financial Samurai</title>
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		<dc:creator>Financial Samurai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 08:10:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you&#039;re American and never leave the US, it&#039;s pretty safe to assume that the currency of your savings will be fine.  If not, then the world is coming to an end, in which case, nothing really matters.
.-= Financial Samurai&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.financialsamurai.com/2010/02/22/the-marriage-penalty-tax-and-sexist-government/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Government Is Sexist And Nobody Seems To Care&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you&#8217;re American and never leave the US, it&#8217;s pretty safe to assume that the currency of your savings will be fine.  If not, then the world is coming to an end, in which case, nothing really matters.<br />
<span class="cluv"> Financial Samurai&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://www.financialsamurai.com/2010/02/22/the-marriage-penalty-tax-and-sexist-government/" rel="nofollow">The Government Is Sexist And Nobody Seems To Care</a> <span class="heart_tip_box"><img class="heart_tip" alt="My ComLuv Profile" border="0" width="16" height="14" src="http://www.plantingdollars.com/wp-content/plugins/commentluv/images/littleheart.gif"/></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Financial Samurai</title>
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		<dc:creator>Financial Samurai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 08:09:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ryan, your last point about staying on top being even harder is VERY true.  Companies come and go through creative self destruction all the time.

It&#039;s actually not very fun being on top.  The REAL fun is progress, and seeing yourself gain by leaps and bounds.  This is part of the essence of the Yakezie Challenge.

There&#039;s a book called &quot;Dance With Chance&quot;, which talks about the illusion of control.  Fascinating read.  If you have time, check it out.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ryan, your last point about staying on top being even harder is VERY true.  Companies come and go through creative self destruction all the time.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s actually not very fun being on top.  The REAL fun is progress, and seeing yourself gain by leaps and bounds.  This is part of the essence of the Yakezie Challenge.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a book called &#8220;Dance With Chance&#8221;, which talks about the illusion of control.  Fascinating read.  If you have time, check it out.<br />
<span class="cluv"> Financial Samurai&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://www.financialsamurai.com/2010/02/22/the-marriage-penalty-tax-and-sexist-government/" rel="nofollow">The Government Is Sexist And Nobody Seems To Care</a> <span class="heart_tip_box"><img class="heart_tip" alt="My ComLuv Profile" border="0" width="16" height="14" src="http://www.plantingdollars.com/wp-content/plugins/commentluv/images/littleheart.gif"/></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: LeanLifeCoach</title>
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		<dc:creator>LeanLifeCoach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 02:44:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So we all agree there is work required before and probably somewhere along the line in the form of maintenance. Even Samurai-san&#039;s approach requires work up-front to earn the money to spread it to the banks. 

So what can be passive - Total inheritance? Winning the lottery?

We are however talking about working less for a greater financial reward... I would call that Lean! It is not passive but it is obtaining the greatest return on invested effort regardless of the industry, business or job.
.-= LeanLifeCoach&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://eliminatethemuda.com/2010/02/combat-the-closing-techniques-the-puppy-dog-close/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Combat The Closing Techniques – The Puppy Dog Close&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So we all agree there is work required before and probably somewhere along the line in the form of maintenance. Even Samurai-san&#8217;s approach requires work up-front to earn the money to spread it to the banks. </p>
<p>So what can be passive &#8211; Total inheritance? Winning the lottery?</p>
<p>We are however talking about working less for a greater financial reward&#8230; I would call that Lean! It is not passive but it is obtaining the greatest return on invested effort regardless of the industry, business or job.<br />
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